DWTS Season 9 Week 9: Semi-Finals

danceronice said:
I've talked to someone about this who's in a better position than I am to understand their reasoning. In the case of the older pros, they're making more money dancing for the show than competing professionally, and some of them are getting up there in competitive-age terms. In Karina's case, maybe she could still keep up with the current pro Latin field, but she's won just about all there is to win--why keep doing it? Ditto for Louis, plus he's old enough he's probably ready to move on. Most of the "older" (relative terms again) pros have gone about as far as they can expect to go as pro competitors, and the publicity and money from the show let them do things like buy and open a studio and gets tons of extra publicity to help it, or get jobs choreographing for other shows. Why NOT cash in a bit?
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That's true. If you are competing professionally, you have to spend money as well. I've heard you could hardly save any money when you compete vigorously. Louis was retired a long time ago I believe, and he would not come back to the competitive dancing anyway. But, Karina could have won the title...... Well, the image the show features on the show make me to think that dancers are not main stream ones. All the spotlight go to singers, actors, and athletes, etc......Maybe that's why I pissed off sometimes. Because I believe dancing is the most difficult form of arts and sports that human-being could do, but underrated compare to other Genre of artistry. Karina and Louis are probably one of the most talented people in the world, but they features as side dishes in national tv. Well, maybe I am going too far.....
 
Merrylegs said:
Anna Trebunskaya went on to compete with Pavlo Barsuk and they did extremely well.

A few years back Tony Dovilani went on to win a big title with Elena Grinenko, I think it was a World title but I do not recall.

Karina began her pro career at 16. It seems, to me, that she put in a good amount of time in that arena.

Admittedly, I did not google/research any Pro from the show to confirm this but I do think there is more to ballroom than just competition. Lot's of them have gone on to do the touring show and Julianne has done extremely well with her singing career and a few endorsements.

I could probably come up with more examples but my brain is fried from being sick.
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Yes, Anna went to compete with Pavlo, but they split up. Now Pavlo still competes, but I don't think Anna has a Partner. Tony is retired from competition.

I don't know what you suggest about different prospective in ballroom besides competition. IMO, shows like Dwts tours and burn the floor, probably will not last long period of time, but competition. My opinion is it is a good strategy whether ballroom goes to the category of entertainment instead of sports.
 
dlgodud said:
Karina and Louis are probably one of the most talented people in the world, but they features as side dishes in national tv. Well, maybe I am going too far.....
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I wouldn't go quite as far as you, but I am definitely amused sometimes by the absurdity that Karina (from what I gather) is one of the least popular pros among non-ballroom viewers -- and I'll bet a lot of people think that e.g. Lacey is a better Latin dancer than she is. Wonder what Karina thinks about that. Of course, it is the path she chose...
 
TAK said:
I wouldn't go quite as far as you, but I am definitely amused sometimes by the absurdity that Karina (from what I gather) is one of the least popular pros among non-ballroom viewers -- and I'll bet a lot of people think that e.g. Lacey is a better Latin dancer than she is. Wonder what Karina thinks about that. Of course, it is the path she chose...
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Thank you for not going as far as I go..... Yes, that's interesting, isn't it? It is not your bet. Actually it is true that non-ballroom viewers think that some other female pros are better dancers than Karina is.....I feel very bitter when I sees those comments somewhere......It's not about the artistry, it's just about popularity they create in the show......wonder if it will help the ballroom society...... One of students in a group classes mention me that how great other female pros are, and I responded that Karina could win over all ladies in the show at real competitions. She did not believe me.....lol......
 
TAK said:
I wouldn't go quite as far as you, but I am definitely amused sometimes by the absurdity that Karina (from what I gather) is one of the least popular pros among non-ballroom viewers -- and I'll bet a lot of people think that e.g. Lacey is a better Latin dancer than she is. Wonder what Karina thinks about that. Of course, it is the path she chose...
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Doubtful. SYTYCD viewers know that Lacey is primarily a Westie who happens to have a National Youth Latin championship title on her belt. Maybe DwtS sugarcoats that a bit but I would never think of Lacey being better than Karina. But for non-dancers who are coming into this show without knowledge of Karina and Lacey's backgrounds... No, I can't see someone thinking that Lacey's better. No way.
 
Better at what? There's more to dance than competition. Would Karina beat the other ladies in a comp? No doubt. But there's other things that go into the entertainment side of dance. I can see Karina's technique is much better than another dancer, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to watch her more than someone else.
I'm annoyed with so many things about DWTS. But I love seeing ballroom dance as being about more than competition technique.
 
and123 said:
It has *always* been that way on DWTS. They do not use the same criteria for each star. While I've been impressed with what Kelly has been able to accomplish, if I were to have watched this past Monday night without having seen any of the previous shows, I would wonder what the judges are smoking (frankly, I still do :-P). But you get my drift. Stars generally get marked down if the judges think the had the ability to do better, and marked up if they improve or dance better than anticipated, depending on the baseline skill/performance level established at the beginning. So it kinda sucks to come out of the gate with a kick-@$$ performance -- you're expected to maintain that level throughout.
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I agree but by the semi finals I'm surprised the judges don't start leveling their scoring.
 
TAK said:
I wouldn't go quite as far as you, but I am definitely amused sometimes by the absurdity that Karina (from what I gather) is one of the least popular pros among non-ballroom viewers -- and I'll bet a lot of people think that e.g. Lacey is a better Latin dancer than she is. Wonder what Karina thinks about that. Of course, it is the path she chose...
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I think that she is not popular because of the way her personality comes off on screen. I don't know her personally, so I have no idea what she is like as a person, but I have heard many complaints that she does not come off as a nice person on screen.

It is crazy though that non ballroom viewers think that other pros are more talented than Karina, but that is why they are non-ballroom viewers... they are probably the same people who describe joanna's dancing as "fluid" and "graceful" when we can clearly see it is not. Of course, if I were to watch a person doing pole vault, unless they absolutely landed on their face, I would probably be like "omg they jumped so high".. and then I hear the commentators on tv saying how that person jumped poorly bc they were missing this or that technique and I go "ohhhhh rly????"
 
wooh said:
Better at what? There's more to dance than competition. Would Karina beat the other ladies in a comp? No doubt. But there's other things that go into the entertainment side of dance. I can see Karina's technique is much better than another dancer, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to watch her more than someone else.
I'm annoyed with so many things about DWTS. But I love seeing ballroom dance as being about more than competition technique.
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Hmmm...... what is the exact entertainment side of dance you are referring here? Overall, DWTS is a popularity and a personality contest, don't you agree? Karina happens to be one of the most sensual dancers while she was competing. She is not all about technique......
 
Just finished catching up with the season. I have to say, I don't Kelley's dancing standards is what it should be for the Finals. But, I do think she has grown A LOT and I've grown so fond of her personality (and Louis' too!). I was also never really a huge fan of Joanna. I think, in the end, the competition is more of a personality one.

For me, I watch it for the pros, their wonderful and innovative choreography and of course the lovely dresses!

As for Karina, I've never been a die-hard fan of hers but I've have fallen in love with her this season...not really sure why. I wouldn't compare her to Lacey tho. In fact, I never really compare the pros. They're all very different to me and bring something different and unique to the table (or in this case floor hehe).


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