Tango Argentino > What your favorite orchestra says about you (according to tango snobs)

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by TomTango, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. TomTango

    TomTango Active Member

    This is partly for fun, partly based on various responses I've overheard or gotten myself.

    1. Canaro - Canaro was a sellout, and you're a sellout for liking him. I bet you love Starbucks and watching reruns of Friends.
    2. D'arienzo - If you need the beat screamed at you and hate layers, sure. You must be a beginner.
    3. Di Sarli - This is what orchestra people say when they don't know what to say. Boring and predictable.
    4. Troilo - A hipster's answer. You're trying to appear knowledgeable and as an advanced dancer. You pretend to "get" Troilo and talk about his "nuanced layers." Your ruse isn't fooling anyone.
    5. Pugliese - Of course you like Pugliese. Everyone likes Pugliese. I bet you also loooove gaunchos and volcadas, and the beat is a mystery to you.
    6. Biagi - You like to memorize strange beat patterns then make your partner feel bad when they "can't follow/lead them."
    7. Donato - Do you even understand what tango is about? It's about soul-crushing sadness, not all this silly happy, upbeat mess.
    8. Fresedo - Worse than Donato. I don't want to get diabetes while I dance.
    9. Tanturi/Calo/Demare - This answer is actually acceptable.
    10. Laurenz - What, did you listen to Alma de Bohemio once?
    11. De Angelis - I hope you're joking. How can you stand those violins? It's like sucking on a lemon.
    12. OTV/De Caro/Firpo/Lomuto - Aw, grandpa over here loves to tango, if by "tango" you mean shuffling around the floor for 12 minutes.
    13. D'Agostino - All of his music sounds the same. Your typical breakfast is unbuttered toast with plain oatmeal, and you like to tell stories no one cares about.
    14. Rodriguez - You know he's almost never played in Buenos Aires right?
    15. Piazzolla - Get out.
  2. Lilly_of_the_valley

    Lilly_of_the_valley Well-Known Member

    #14 -- not true
    #15 -- agree
    The rest of it -- :D
  3. Reuven Thetanguero

    Reuven Thetanguero Active Member

    I think those comments say something about those snobs...:cool:
  4. Lilly_of_the_valley

    Lilly_of_the_valley Well-Known Member

    That they don't get it themselves, for one thing. ;)
    Not liking some orchestra(s) is OK, though.
  5. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    #17 love it
    #18 ok
  6. tangomaniac

    tangomaniac Active Member

    #3 Do these people FEEL anything? They probably rush through the tango and miss DiSarli's nuances.
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  7. rain_dog

    rain_dog Active Member

    I find toast to be too stimulating, so I stick to plain bread. Which reminds me of a funny story...
  8. twnkltoz

    twnkltoz Well-Known Member

  9. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    #15 -- agree

    If you can't play Piazzolla, you'll also have to ban _a lot_ of late Troilo.

    Just to spite you, I'll play a mixed Troilo/Piazzolla tanda next time I DJ.
  10. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    Supposing that they aren't versed in verbal irony, you mean?
  11. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    I'd like to be as boring and predictable as a Di Sarli sexteto track.

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  12. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    Shut up and dance 'em, instead of talking about them...
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  13. Reuven Thetanguero

    Reuven Thetanguero Active Member

    Tell me where you DJ so I'll know not to go there...:) .As far as Piazzolla and late Troilo you can also add late Pugliesi
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  14. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    My name's Alexis. I won't tell you the venue, because others DJ there too. You'd be a fool not to go to that venue, because the energy is very good (whoever the DJ is), but of course, nothing forces you to. Since you're from New York, chances are that mere distance will take care of it (I do hope you go to El Destino, though).

    I'm sure you also want to add Troilo/Marino to the list of "uncouth" orchestra/singer combos, or does that count as "late Troilo"?

    What exactly constitutes "late Pugliese" (which, BTW, is spelled with an "e", and mens "from Puglia" in Italian)? Is Pugliese/Moran still OK? Is Pugliese/Maciel (and if so, which ones)? Or is just Montero you don't like?

    While you're at it, why not ban late D'Arienzo?

    Small note: music from beyond 1957 is indeed not easy to play. But then, Piazzolla recorded music _well_ before that, and had quite some influence on Troilo. Of course, it's possible you don't like Troilo. Your choice. Others love it, _even_ if you don't stick to Troilo/Fiorentino.

    If you can't countenance even one tanda that others might like and you don't, then I suggest you become a DJ.

    Except that --as you would soon see-- you wouldn't get to dance a lot either (but at least you would be saved from stepping outside to look at the stars from the balcony a couple of times a night), and you'd take lots of flak whatever you play (some people even don't like _Biagi_).
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2016
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  15. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member

    Piazzolla was playing, arranging and composing in Anibal Troilo orchestra.
    So it would be correct that Anibal Troilo influenced Piazzolla ;)
  16. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    And vice-versa, since Piazzolla, as you said, worked as arranger for Troilo, which means that certainly Troilo/Marino is indeed Troilo/Piazzolla/Marino in more than one sense (you can even feel the influence in some tracks with Fiorentino).

    Troilo at the end notoriously complained once to his wife that some of Piazzolla's arrangements made his orchestra sound like a "bloody symphonic orchestra", and the tensions between the two would eventually lead to a break (and Piazzolla would join Francisco Fiorentino's orchestra in 1944-1946, from which the "Viejo Ciego" shown above is, but also a great "Color de Rosa" and a "Chiflada" that still sounds very Troilesque, or rather Piazzolla-under-Troilo).
  17. Reuven Thetanguero

    Reuven Thetanguero Active Member

    Some comments, particularly those with a :) should not be taken literally... Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and Happy Holidays to all!
  18. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    Where would the fun have been in that ;-) ?
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  19. newbie

    newbie Well-Known Member

    I just listened to this one, and felt overwhelmed by happiness.
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  20. Tango Distance

    Tango Distance Active Member

    ENGLISH at the bottom

    En la tarde que en sombras se moría,
    buenamente nos dimos el adiós;
    mi tristeza profunda no veías
    y al marcharte sonreíamos los dos.
    Y la desolación, mirándote partir,
    quebraba de emoción mi pobre voz…
    El sueño más feliz, moría en el adiós
    y el cielo para mí se obscureció.
    En vano el alma
    con voz velada
    volcó en la noche la pena…
    Sólo un silencio
    profundo y grave
    lloraba en mi corazón.

    Sobre el tiempo transcurrido
    vives siempre en mí,
    y estos campos que nos vieron
    juntos sonreír
    me preguntan si el olvido
    me curó de ti.
    Y entre los vientos
    se van mis quejas
    muriendo en ecos,
    mientras que lejos
    otros brazos y otros besos
    te aprisionan y me dicen
    que ya nunca has de volver.

    Cuando vuelva a lucir la primavera,
    y los campos se pinten de color,
    otra vez el dolor y los recuerdos
    de nostalgias llenarán mi corazón.
    Las aves poblarán de trinos el lugar
    y el cielo volcará su claridad…
    Pero mi corazón en sombras vivirá
    y el ala del dolor te llamará.
    En vano el alma
    dirá a la luna
    con voz velada la pena…
    Y habrá un silencio
    profundo y grave
    llorando en mi corazón.

    In the afternoon dying in shadows,
    very nicely we said farewell;
    You didn’t notice my deep sadness
    and as you left we both smiled.
    And desolation, from watching you go,
    broke with emotion my poor voice …
    The happiest dream, died in the goodbye
    for me, the sky became dark.
    In vain the soul
    with veiled voice
    poured in the night the sorrow …
    Only a silence
    deep and serious
    cried in my heart.

    As time has passed
    you always live in me,
    and these fields that saw us
    together, smiling
    wonder if oblivion
    has cured me of you.
    And among the winds
    my complaints go
    dying in echoes,
    looking for you …
    while far away
    other arms and other kisses
    imprison you and tell me
    you will never return.

    When spring return,
    and the fields show their colors,
    again the pain and memories
    will fill with nostalgia my heart.
    Trilling birds will populate the place
    and sky will cast its clarity…
    But my heart will live in shadows
    and the wing of pain will call you.
    In vain the soul
    will tell the moon,
    with veiled voice, the sorrow…
    And there will be a silence,
    deep and serious
    crying in my heart.


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